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Green Jay



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Evie wrote:
I know, I have been meaning to read both for so many years!  Things just get in the way - who knows why my reading is so disorganised!!  At least it means, as you say, that I have big treats in store.  I still need to read Olivia Manning's Levant trilogy too, having only read the Balkan ones, which are utterly superb.



Yes, I thought I had both books but I think I must have borrowed the Levant Trilogy as I couldn't find it at all when I wanted to reread it. I'm sure I can remember its cover...Greg Hicks in khaki uniform, which may just be a dream... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a pity the series wasn't extended to include Heroines and Children.
I wonder what memorable literary children would make the list.  Maybe Masie from Henry James' 'What Masie Knew'?  Any more suggestions?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should make a thread suggesting our own favourite fictional heroes, lovers, villains and snobs - plus Mike's sections, too. Snobs and Villains are of more interest to me than Faulks' first two categories. Not having seen the whole series I can't furnish us with the suggestions Faulks has already made, but under Villains it was:

Lovelace (Clarissa)
Fagin (Oliver Twist)
Count Fosco (The Woman In White)
Steerpike (Gormenghast)
Jack  (Lord of the Flies)
Ronald Merrick (Raj Quartet)
Barbara (Notes on a Scandal)

Snobs included:

Emma
Miss Jean Brodie
the husband in Brick Lane
oh, who else...?

He could have had Hortense in Small Island for that matter, she was a terrific snob. And Steerforth as a villain.

I thought Faulks was pretty OK as a presenter, I am definitely warming to him. And actually the clips made me want to go and get some of those DVDs (sorry). I have never seen The Woman In White version with Simon Callow as Fosco before.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikeharvey wrote:
What a pity the series wasn't extended to include Heroines and Children.


Faulks defended himself to Mariella Frostrup by saying that Heroes included heroines.  Erm, we've heard that excuse long ago - man includes woman etc. Didn't convince then, either. I think he had Becky Sharp in as a hero. You could do a whole programme looking at heroes and heroines and whether there was a difference of expectations. And he never got on to anti-hero, did he? Although he talked about Winston in 1984 being a new kind of hero.

I heard someone discussing South Riding on radio today (currently on Sunday night TV) and saying that the new headmistress Sarah Burton comes with no history, no defining relationships and asks for what she wants; that this was really unusual for a heroine, as so much literature was concerned with looking at how the female characters were restricted by society in one way or another and whether or not they could overcome those bonds. I suppose in that way she is more of a hero in Faulks's terms. Interesting...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other snobs were Pip in Great Expectations, Charles Pooter, Jeeves and James Bond.  It was interesting because he looked at different kinds of snobbery.

There is certainly more scope for further programmes - really hope he is commissioned to do some more.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I struggled a bit with Pip as a true snob. He suffers the same fate as anyone who is raised up and educated above the situation of his original family - being able to see them with new eyes, and never truly fitting in again, which is rather tragic. Whereas, say, Mrs Elton, in Emma is a real snob - or Mrs Snell in the Archers who I am sure is based on her ! - they relish looking down on people and drawing everyone's attention to the failings of others and the superiority of themselves. She hasn't  undergone a class transplant which leaves her neither fish nor fowl, but floundering a little between both. And possibly full of guilt at looking down on their own 'umble origins. But I can't remember enough of Pip to know if this last was true. And I joined the Faulks programme in the middle, so he may have said some of this.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green Jay Wrote:
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actually the clips made me want to go and get some of those DVDs (sorry).
I thought the clips were a good idea, although you never know, it could have been a subversive way of getting us all to go out and buy BBC adaptions on DVD!  Wink



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