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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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The whole idea of this was to have a bit of fun, and to use it as an excuse to discuss some books. In practice, there was, I think, perhaps a bit too much emphasis on the competitive aspect of it (which was meant to be a bit of a laugh anyway), and, perhaps, not as much discussion as Iíd hoped for. I personally donít think it would be a good idea to have another one, but Iíll leave it to majority decision.


Yes maybe there was but a lot of people commented on how entertaining the light humoured banter I had with The Baron was over Emily Bronte and Wuthering Heights was and it engages people more if there is a hint of competion involved rather than just discussion, plus when people got passionate about their favourites, it gave me a deeper insight into what people saw in those books and a better appreciation of the books/authors concerned. †For example I did not like Nana by Emile Zola at all as I made abundantly clear, but after reading the comments by the Baron and you I could see your point of view even though I disagreed with it, and although I didn't like that book I appreciated it from what was said.

Plus I find these sort discussions helpful as it draws my attention to books/authors I have not come across before.

I agree that non-fiction in general is such a huge genre, but it could be split into separate sub genres ie war & millitary, science, historical, geography etc. and the merits of each genre as well as the books members put forward could be discussed.

I do like the idea of childrens books as well, although I don't think I would be able to be too persuasive of my childhood favourites, as they now leave me cold.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes Ė we had a lot of banter and a lot of fun, and proceedings were generally very civilised, but my perception is that, at times Ė just at times - a bit of friction crept in as well. And thereís Sandraís point as well that in later rounds, we had mostly said all that we had to say about the various books.

I think it would be an excellent idea for each of us just to start a thread on the books we loved most up to, say, the age of 12 or 13 (letís not be too definite about that), and talk a little about what the books meant to us then, how we react to them now, and how they have influenced our adult tastes and literary perceptions.

We could each of us make up a list of our ten or so favourite books from childhood. And the thing will really get interesting if we comment on each otherís choices.

But as I said, Iím happy to abide by majority decision on the competition front.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chibiabos83 wrote:
It's just that I find I dislike the competition format increasingly.


Me, too, although I've always felt like that. I'm just not really one of those people who likes to order things in a hierarchy - films, flowers, books, holiday destinations, anything like that. I find I'm not comparing like with like, so why make them vie with each other for 'best' or 'favourite'. I know which ones I like and don't like, but I like or admire any of them for different reasons. I can make a list of 10 or 20  preferred somethings if required, but hate to put them in order.

But then I always think when I read interviews that ask for someone's hero or heroine or role models, that I find it very hard to answer that question myself - not that I'm likely to be pressed to do so in print! A bit of a red herring, but does anyone else find that question straightforward and easy?


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caro wrote:
That's why I thought children's books would be interesting. †Surely people can't feel that strongly about these -


Ooh, I wouldn't bet on it! Wink They might be just the books people feel most strongly about. Imagine it, the Weasels versus all Rabbit's friends and relations... a terrible bloody battle could ensue. Can Black Beauty outrun Flicka? What would Jumble do if he got hold of Peter Rabbit ? - more damage than losing buttons and shoes, I suspect.

But Caro's idea is a lovely one, if we don't have to compete.


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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the competition aspect. I do think a cup gives discussion a focus, and a deadline. After all we can have general discussion any time elsewhere on the board, having a cup does not preclude this.

I enjoyed the last cup and did read some of the authors nominated which I might not otherwise have done, so to me it had value.

I seem to remember last year there was a suggestion of a cup for contemporary authors which I thought was a good one - but is the suggestion now children's books instead?

Since children's books is a fairly broad topic (what counts - any age? Howe about picture books for toddlers? Teen books?) and since some people have quite rightly pointed out there was a problem with the cup format in that there was less to say about the same books in later rounds, how about a change of format, more a 'heat' system with books from different categories meeting in a final final, rather than a knockout competition?


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm certainly open to ideas. This board has been very quiet of late (and I have been having a bit of a torrid time at work lately, and have had barely a minute even to read, necver mind post!) and we do need some spark to kick off a bit more activity.


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The potential issue with children's books is that we will each inevitably be biased towards the books of our own childhoods, or those of our children (or grandchildren even). I wonder how much common ground we can find. But then I suppose this is an issue to some extent for adult books too.



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loathed every minute of the last BR Cup, but that's just me!  I think it just needs someone to kick things off in whatever way they want.  I like the idea of lists rather than a competition - and there is no reason why we have to have one genre, we could do Top 10s as the Guardian books section does - individual lists of top 10 crime novels, top 10 children's books, top 10 books about WWII, etc - not just a list, but a bit about why we've included each title.  But competition does seem to create more - er - debate.

But if someone just wants to start something, that's the best way to go, I think!



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