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Green Jay



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Perhaps depression is just very common, whether people have had actual diagnosis and treatment or have just let it go by, like me, fighting it and denying that that was what it was - or not recognising it at the time as it did not have what I thought were "typical" symptoms. I have never been paralysed into the can't get out of bed state, but do recognise putting on a front all the time until you feel unreal. Thus weeping on trains seemed quite a low point for me, as I couldn't even put on a front at that stage.

Seasonal Affective Disorder, where low light levels and few daylight hours are meant to add to problems, seems quite common. I could never live somewhere with very short or no winter daylight. Sussex is bad enough in winter for me! As I get older I like winter less and less and dread it rather. When I was under 25 or so I met every season with relish for its changes. Equally, I would not like to live in a static climate like S. California. I like my changing seasons (could do with just three, not winter) and my weather, so long as they are not too extreme.

And today we're snowed in down here, and my heating boiler broke down at the weekend and no one can get out ot fix it. Reminds me of my childhood, only one warm room and lots of layers on. Cooking in hat and gloves. No hot water is a b****r, though.


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Apple



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do agree with you Apple about getting out with the dog each day, it can be an effort but is always worth it. Do you find people are more friendly to you when you have a dog in tow? I am often left wondering why this is so.


I don't think its the fact people are more friendly when you have a dog, its more like people are more suspicious of you if you haven't got a dog especially if you walk over fields and public footpaths and off the main roads and the like, men are immediately classified as being up to no good if they are seen wandering along public footpaths alone with no obvious purpose and if a middle aged man walks through the local park then all eyes are following his every move if he is alone. Whereas if you have a dog in tow the reason you are there is obvious and you immediately become less of a threat.

I think it also depends on the type of dog you have, some people tend to be wary of mine he's a lab/staffi cross he is bigger than a staffi but slightly smaller than a lab he looks obviously like a staffi with his colouring and with the bad press (which is totally unfair) staffi's are getting lately some people tend to be a bit scared of him.  I was never a big fan of Staffi's as I was swayed by the prejudices surrounding them but they are the most affectionate, loyal and loving dogs you could wish to come across, and they are called "nanny dogs" because they are so good with children, and thats half the problem, these yobs are getting them and training them to be nasty and staffi's are so eager to please their owners and are highly intelligent and loyally do what their owners are telling them to but dogs can't distingush between one set of circumstances and another and thats when the problems and tragedies occur.

Having said all that where I walk though and at the times I walk I tend to be in a routine and see the same people most days with their dogs, and we all know each other by sight, no-one knows anyones name but everyone knows the dogs names!!


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Evie
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for everyone's comments and kindness about depression - it's been interesting and definitely helpful to hear everyone's experiences and thoughts!  I struggle with dogs - sometimes spend a week or two looking after my brother's two English springer spaniels, and very quickly end up screaming, sometimes at them - but can see how rewarding other people find their dogs!

Anyway, back to reading choices - I have decided not to make definite plans - I do have a fairly large TBR, and have decided that that is definitely my priority, to work through that.  Doesn't mean I won't buy more along the way!  And I am looking forward to our Good Read books.


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iwishiwas



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apple you are probably right about this suspicious culture which has become part of our daily living. Our children are always amused to hear my husband and I refer to people via their dogs name. Mrs Rex or Mr Meg etc. We do know the proper names of many people now and have made some good friends just by regular dog walking contact.
Evie I am also hoping to make an impression on the pile this year and am trying not to buy too much. (I say that every year!) I'm not making any definitive list but just choosing as the mood takes me.



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Ann



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really shouldn't be in this section but did anyone see the fascinating Horizon on dogs last night? (Please do move this to a more chatty section but it just followed on from the subject of discussion.) Mental and physical health have been proved to be better in dog owners.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did try to change the subject back to the original thread - but since I was the one who inadvertently kicked off the discussion of depression, I can't complain!

But we should get back to discussing our reading choices for 2010.   read2


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MikeAlx



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ann wrote:
Mental and physical health have been proved to be better in dog owners.

That doesn't necessarily prove cause and effect though. Perhaps depressive people feel less inclined to take on the responsibilities of dog ownership. Or perhaps there's a third factor that relates to both things.

Similarly, there is evidence that, among older men, those who exercise regularly are more likely to be healthy. But it's quite difficult to prove that exercise makes men healthier rather than that illness makes men less likely to exercise.



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Evie
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I was thinking along those lines.

But it really is time to move this discussion to the chat area...if people have more to say, we can start a new discussion there.   Very Happy

Anyone got more 'reading choices' for the year ahead?


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Apple



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evie Wrote:
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I did try to change the subject back to the original thread - but since I was the one who inadvertently kicked off the discussion of depression, I can't complain!


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But it really is time to move this discussion to the chat area...if people have more to say, we can start a new discussion there.


Can you do that please? - pick out and move the chat part of the thread over and create a new one in the chat section it is such an interesting discussion and it is sort of obvious people still have things to say on the subject of depression (and dog ownership!)

Sorry if I derailed it more than it would have gone with my dog ownership experiences but it was only polite to reply to a question.  Smile

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Evie Wrote:
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I struggle with dogs - sometimes spend a week or two looking after my brother's two English springer spaniels, and very quickly end up screaming, sometimes at them - but can see how rewarding other people find their dogs!


Springer Spaniels are notoriously boisterous energetic dogs and can be a handful for anyone so I wouldn't take that as the norm with all dogs Springers are highly intelligent and yet in some ways highly stupid dizzy dogs and its not always a good combination!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, only just seen this - it's probably best just to start a new discussion if you want to carry on - too fiddly to pick out posts, and might leave other bits of the conversation a bit disjointed.



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