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Ann



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I'd heard that doctors had found reading a help with depression so I googled and came up with this link which I had to post here. I think the picture of Sarah Palin is enough to bring anyone down! I hope this is not being insensitive because one of my daughters suffers and I have a lot of empathy and sympathy about the condition.   http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/9/144857.shtml




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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, not sure about reading too many self-help books - but the Sarah Palin photo is good for a laugh, perhaps that's part of the therapy!!

It reminds me, though, that I need to finish reading a book I began months ago, based on the Myers Briggs system - which remains the only thing that has really given me any long-term help.  Thanks to the late, much lamented PhilipTom for that recommendation (it's OK, he's not dead, just not here!), and to another poster here for introducing me to Myers Briggs some years ago!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about this, Evie, and also that you think moving, which is such an upheaval, was not the right thing to do. I do sympathise and hope that everything works out better soon, even if only with it being the spring and more warmth and daylight!

I have experienced acute depression several times in my life and think I have a slight tendency to it now, though only a mild reclusiveness and apathy and not being able to enjoy or appreciate things I know I should be able to. My dad, who is very old and quite poorly, seems to me to get depressed in  the winter months now, so maybe it's hereditary. My mum thinks he should just pull himself together - shes always been a very positive and active person and can't understand. But then he's old and ill and life isn't frankly a bowl of cherries for him, what could he look on the bright side about?

I've never had treatment, but had to study psychotherapy for a while (about it, not to practice it) and all the books write with reverence about the therapist and their almost magical relationship with the client, but at the same time everyone I know who has had therapy tells me dreadful tales about the practitioners, like Mike's comments above - either manipulative and exploitative or just inattentive and careless.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, what is the Myers Briggs system?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah well I understand only too well what Mike and Evie are saying, I have suffered with depression on and off for years, Being the type of person I am (bloody minded and stubborn) I try to fight it as much as I can, there have been times in the past where it has got the better of me and I have had to resort to medication but that is better than a bottle of whiskey and the kitchen knife slicing arms and legs to ribbons which I have also tried on occasions.  (Not recommended I assure you and I am not proud of that either trouble is I will always have the scars to remind me of how low I got and how stupid I was for thinking that would help) or shutting myself off from everything I normally do. This time of year is always a bad time the anticlimax of post christmas.  People who haven't been there don't understand there is no physical thing to see and because they don't understand you get used to putting on a front and hiding how you are really feeling it becomes second nature.

The best therapist I have ever had is my dog!! believe it or not, since I had him, I have not sunk as deep as I have done on previous occasions, my doctor said that dogs are excellent therapy for depression as well, and that its a recognised fact. having him sit with me and I fuss him and stroke him is very calming and relaxing and I walk miles with him over the fields which I find also helps.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was some research a couple of years back which found that reading poetry was just as effective as Prozac at treating depression. However, when my wife had clinical depression (many years back now) she could not read at all. In fact she could scarcely get out of bed. It put her degree behind by a year, though she did get very good results in the end (narrowly missed out on a first).

Exercise is also supposed to be good (perhaps part of the dog phenomenon!), but of course the lack of energy problem makes this difficult, and it's not always possible for people with health problems etc.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I have certainly been in the 'can't get out of bed let alone do anything as energetic as reading' state in the past - I did wonder how they expected depressed people to read books!  Though I am sure this misguided treatment is aimed at milder forms of the illness.

It's interesting how many of us have suffered from clinical depression - I wonder if there is a link between depression and reading?!

In the classical world and in the Renaissance, melancholia was closely linked with genius...   Wink


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the can't get out of bed thing sounds fun (or lazy) to anyone who hasn't been there but the fact you physically can't get out without breaking down in tears or worse is no fun at all.  I agree with the not being able to read as well when I am bad with depression, I just shut myself off from everything and everyone, I wouldn't go out if it wasn't for the dog, which is why I think he has helped because he needs his walk and has to go so I have to force myself to get up and go even if I really don't want to and when I am out there it does make me feel better even if its only a quick walk around the block. But I find I start out the intention of just a quick one to get it over with but when I get going especially if its a nice day, I end up walking further than I first intended and sometimes go miles.

We seem to have a group therapy session going on right here. I have never spoke publicly about the mental health issues I have although I have spoken privately to to people and in a weird sort of way its kind of a release.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to be a topic which is discussed a lot more at this time of year for obvious reasons. Depression is not something I have suffered from in the past but I do feel closer to it as I get older. Christmas and January I seem to dread more each year. I do agree with you Apple about getting out with the dog each day, it can be an effort but is always worth it. Do you find people are more friendly to you when you have a dog in tow? I am often left wondering why this is so.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry to hear about your problems, Evie.  I don't really feel competent in this field to offer any advice except, as Apple says, sometimes it helps to talk about these things.



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