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MikeAlx



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I've heard teachers complain that they are expected to correct spellings nowadays, but weren't corrected themselves as schoolchildren so don't know the correct spellings. I find it a bit strange though; you'd think anyone who'd done a reasonable amount of reading would have picked them up anyway, unless they genuinely suffer from dyslexia.

The words in this quiz are mostly well-known 'difficult' words; many of them feature on the Pitman Secretarial College's '120 worst spelling demons'. Thus the test is really measuring one's knowledge of exceptions rather than rules.



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TheRejectAmidHair



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caro wrote:
I think spelling is over-rated really and it doesn't bother me much if teachers aren't perfect spellers.


But Gareth's story was not about "perfect spelling": it was about a teacher who could not even distinguish between possession and plurality, and I honestly don't think  that someone so lacking in basic literacy has any business being in front of a class. Even if she does have the ability to teach, what exactly will be the quality of the material she will be teaching?


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MikeAlx



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it partly depends what one is teaching. For instance, I had a very good chemistry teacher who was not great at spelling and grammar. He admitted as much, and sometimes checked with the class whether he'd got something right or not. But he was an exceptionally good chemistry teacher. Now, had he been teaching English (or a general teacher at primary school level), that would have been a different matter.



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Caro



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Himadri,

I think there would be a lot of teachers who don't manage the use of the apostrophe and don't understand the plural/possessive thing.  And I suspect a lot whose knowledge of the English language is considerably more limited than that.  For most subjects it won't matter much and if a teacher is otherwise inspirational or interesting I doubt that children will be particularly disadvantaged.  

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caro, even admitting that, I can't see there's any excuse for a teacher actually "correcting" a pupil who had got it right in the first place - especially in something so very basic as this. The message given in such a case is that correctess does not really matter too much.

I don't see any problem with Mike's example of the good chemistry teacher who was not so good with spelling and grammar, but who admitted as much, and would, indeed, check with the class if he'd got it right. At least he is not teaching the children anything that is incorrect. But no matter what subject the teacher specialises in, I really do not find it at all acceptable that the teacher should teach children wrong things. That is pure incompetence. We wouldn't accept such sloppy standards from a doctor, say, so why from a teacher?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People should not be teachers of any subject if they don't know simple rules of English grammar such as how to use an apostrophe.


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lunababymoonchild



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evie wrote:
People should not be teachers of any subject if they don't know simple rules of English grammar such as how to use an apostrophe.


Hear, hear.

When I was at school every teacher we came across corrected our grammar even as we spoke upon entering the classroom.  It was very much 'if it takes place in my classroom, then it's going to be correct'.  Naturally, at the time we all hated it and thought that it was wrong, but as an adult now I appreciate it a great deal because it means that I'm literate.

Luna


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Himadri Wrote:
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I really do not find it at all acceptable that the teacher should teach children wrong things. That is pure incompetence. We wouldn't accept such sloppy standards from a doctor, say, so why from a teacher?


I totally agree even I with my really basic level of education could see screaming errors in this particular teachers teaching time after time I corrected her - after looking them up and checking I'd got my facts straight!



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