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Green Jay



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Green Jay wrote:
...the actress with the fab voice who was playing the mother was hugely wasted in her treacle addiction...


Oops, did not spot the double entendre in this until Evie's post! She was hugely wasted in just having to play hugely wasted.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evie wrote:
I suppose I haven't seen the Blessed Stephen act in anything for a while, and I thought he was fab in this, so I enjoyed his presence most of all.  I know what you mean, though.

I thought the wondrous David Mitchell was a bit wasted in this (I mean in the sense of not having enough to do, I don't think he was intoxicated...) - he was lovely, as ever, but would have liked a better part (and script) for him.

Johnny Vegas was good as the urchin, I thought - he is good in Dickensian things, I loved him as Krook in Bleak House.

Like Mike, I can't see how they can sustain it for three more episodes - it was wearing thin by the end of one - but I suppose that's just my taste.  I have only heard odd episodes of the radio version, but did enjoy that a lot more.


Yes, J V makes a natural Victorian lowlife, doesn't he? Agree about David Mitchel, they all really had just a one-line character to portray, didn't they?

The radio series builds up if you listen more consistently, as fortunes are always being reversed and re-reversed. I guess that may happen here in future episodes but I lack the commitment to find out. And 30 mins is perfect, rather than an hour a piece. Isn't it funny that visuals which can convey so much so quuickly actually take much longer - or are given much longer - to do so?

St Stephen has been on radio a lot recently, four times over one weekend, doing things on phones, knowledge etc etc. Then he's always doing QI and the making of QI I saw in the schedules this week!

By the way, did anyone see the last episode of Rev which had a wonderful split-second where the Christmas community dinner resembled da Vinci's the Last Supper and then changed again as more people brought their chairs to the table. Throw-away bliss!.


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KlaraZ



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I absolutely love 'Rev', and the Christmas special was superb. Yes, the Da Vinci 'Last Supper' visual  reference was v. good (although it has already been used on TV, at the end of a Xmas special of 'Shameless' a few years back. On the other hand, in 'Rev' it made more theological sense, since Adam Smallbone is far more saintly than Frank Gallagher!)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rev is fabulous, and this series has been sublime - that Last Supper was a lovely moment.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved that moment because it was so quick and not milked.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll all be pleased to know that this christmas episode was a self-contained story. The next three episodes are hald an hour each and form a new story featuring the same family. The children have a bit more to do, too. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a related subject - that is Charles Dickens, did anyone see the BBC2 programme over christmas, Mrs Dickens christmas (or something like that)? It explored the ideal family christmas Dickens presented in some of his novels compared to his real family life where he apparently treated his wife appalingly. It was presented by Sue Perkins.


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KlaraZ



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I saw that programme and I found the way Sue Perkins presented it intensely irritating. Certainly it's true that the split between Dickens and Catherine was very acrimonious, with Catherine cast aside for Ellen Ternan, hardly Dickens's finest hour, but one does wonder why Catherine would want to continue living with a man who no longer loved her. He did make her a generous allowance, and some of the assertions that Sue Perkins made in the programme were questionable and she conveniently didn't deal with certain biographical facts, such as the matter of Catherine's own sister Georgiana taking Dickens' part.
I'd much rather have heard more from a few Dickens scholars on this issue, than have endured Sue Perkins's jokey dogmatic anti-male  tub-thumping!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it is a well known fact she is a lesbian so I suppose she was never going to be too sympathetic towards Dickens, especially as there is documented evidence that he was, lets say "not very nice" to his wife, having said that she also has a degree in English Literature so I am assuming she does know what she is talking about and has some knowledge on this subject.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid that even people with degrees in English can be guilty of making wrong-headed interpretations of texts and of twisting the evidence to suit their thesis. For example, no-one would dispute that Dickens was harsh with Catherine and made some ill-advised public pronouncements at the time of their separation, but I think quite a few Dickens's scholars would baulk at some of the connections Sue Perkins made in this programme, such as that Dickens was 'making a joke' about Catherine's breast-feeding problems (years before!) in 'Dombey and Son'.



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