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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Well, it's a very good thing you're still around, Apple Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh you can't get rid of me!!  Wink


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caro wrote:
They might not involve intellectual effort but they still refer some effort.  I wouldn't actually call either Patrick O'Brian or George Macdonald Fraser (always have to look up his name to get the last two names in the right order!) light reading - certainly not light in the sense people who read someone like Janet Trotter or Emma Blair want.  Wodehouse is light, but he has a particular style and setting that wouldn't appeal to people just wanting a family saga/romance.  You still have to think to read Wodehouse.  Not so much for Conan Doyle perhaps, but the books I am thinking of aren't crime novels either.

Last night my husband said he quite liked the cask wine he'd bought me (I have reservations about it).  I said, "You just like because it's cheap."  And he said, "No, it's unchallenging."  And that's what some people, older women mostly, want in the books they are reading.  It does interest me though, that readers of westerns almost unanimously say Louis L'Amour is the best of them, for his writing, his knowledge and his stories.  

Cheers, Caro.

So much for silliness!  Have managed to divert even a thread like this to quite serious discussion.  Sorry.


Caro, to deny the validity of ranking certain things above certain other things is to deny the very concept of quality itself.

I really have no problem whatever with what others choose to read, and to enjoy. People are entitled tio read and to enjoy whatever they want.  But equally, I too am entitled to exercise whatever critical faculty I have, irrespective of whether or not the book in question is aimed towards me.

The fact of a shoddily crafted book being widely enjoyed does not make the book any less shoddily crafted; and neither is such a fact a good enough reason for anyone to suspend their critical faculties.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I am denying the validity of ranking things or of considering quality.  What I am saying is that some people are actually looking for what is really poor quality.  I look for it in music, apparently the other day my husband was looking for it in wine (though he doesn't usually), and some readers look for it in books.  They don't want good quality - they find it difficult and threatening, even if the writing seems light to you or me.  I think also they want a certain story line, so someone like Alex McCall Smith doesn't fit either.  

It's what these readers like, Himadri - I see them all the time at the library and if you try to branch them out a bit they just bring the books back saying they didn't like them much.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again, people are entitled to like books of poor quality. I have no problem with that. I am merely standing up for my right to say that these books are of poor quality. That's all.




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