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Evie
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Perhaps we need more silliness!


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Ann



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evie I second that as I do like some silliness in life. I've just added a fairly silly post to Gareth's comment about Kenneth Williams' letters.
I am always pleased to add to the gaity of nations


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I shall try to be a bit more acitve, and not very sensible!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike js wrote:
Well, I shall try to be a bit more acitve, and not very sensible!


Very Happy


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Caro



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Location: Owaka, New Zealand

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Joe,

You wrote that you were waiting for someone to show the same enthusiasm for Patrick O'Brian that you have.  I hope Himadri will forgive me for stealing a quote from him over on his blog to cheer you up.  He wrote (among a lot more, condemning The Shadow of the Wind):  

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Just read any page of George Macdonald Fraser, say, or of Patrick O’Brian to confirm that aiming for a popular market need not necessitate such characterless writing.


That shows some enthusiasm, I think.  Maybe not as much as yours, but people never seem to quite feel the same about some writers as I do; it goes with the territory.

Cheers, Caro.


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TheRejectAmidHair



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I haven't yet read a Patrick O'Brian novel, but a friend of mine is a big fan, and is constantly recommending them to me. I've read several extracts, and, just as it is possible to identify a crap writer from just a few passages, so it's possible also to identify a good one. Patrick O 'Brian was obviously a very fine writer - and that is apparent even from a few passages.

What does, I admit, annoy me is that there appear to be a great many people who really cannot put sentences together, and who yet appear to make a good living from writing. It's not a question of highbrow vs lowbrow: whatever the height of one's brow, a professional writer should be able to write well, and, to judge from my bookshop browsing sessions, there are many who can't.



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Caro



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But they're not writing for you, Himadri.  They're writing for people who do want to get through a book quickly, who want to read but not have their brain extended, who enjoy a story alone and not the writing that produced it, and who want nothing but entertainment.

The same as I listen to music in the car - even good light music is not really what I want; I want drivelly tuneful music to sing along to and not think about.  Jim Reeves will do fine, or The Mavericks, or Slim Whitman, or any number of people who sing ordinary country music or silly 60s hits.  (Not as silly as My Boy Lollipop, but as silly as Sylvia's Mother.)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know that it matters to me much that they aren't writing for me. And neither am I talking about books that "extend one's brain": there are many books I love which require no intellectual effort at all, but which nonetheless display a quality of craftsmanship that, for me, is a prerequisite for any professional writing. But we've been here before, I think.



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Caro



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They might not involve intellectual effort but they still refer some effort.  I wouldn't actually call either Patrick O'Brian or George Macdonald Fraser (always have to look up his name to get the last two names in the right order!) light reading - certainly not light in the sense people who read someone like Janet Trotter or Emma Blair want.  Wodehouse is light, but he has a particular style and setting that wouldn't appeal to people just wanting a family saga/romance.  You still have to think to read Wodehouse.  Not so much for Conan Doyle perhaps, but the books I am thinking of aren't crime novels either.

Last night my husband said he quite liked the cask wine he'd bought me (I have reservations about it).  I said, "You just like because it's cheap."  And he said, "No, it's unchallenging."  And that's what some people, older women mostly, want in the books they are reading.  It does interest me though, that readers of westerns almost unanimously say Louis L'Amour is the best of them, for his writing, his knowledge and his stories.  

Cheers, Caro.

So much for silliness!  Have managed to divert even a thread like this to quite serious discussion.  Sorry.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes its is quiet on here, and has been for a long while, there is only a handful of people left who post reasonably regularly.  I look in from time to time and think there are going to be loads of unread posts to read but there never seems to be.

The problem seems to be (from my point of view) all the characters have gone from the old board, the people who gave the board its different perspectives, its fun and edge and gave life to the discussions - Dai, Luna, Miranda, the Baron, Not smart just lucky, Raunchyducky are the first few absences and in my opinion greatly missed absences which spring to my mind who gave most discussions their own unique take, they have all long since stopped posting and its a real shame.



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