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Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

Crime and Detection authors

I went to the old board to salvage the list of authors from the Crime and Detection discussion. Here they are

Agatha Christie
Ian Rankin
Cyril Hare
Raymond Chandler
Arthur Conan Doyle
Ruth Rendall
Malcolm Pryce
Karin Slaughter
Elizabeth George
Minette Walters
Peter Robinson
Stephen Booth
Janet Evanovich
Jeffrey Deaver
Patricia Cornwall
Josephine Tey
Danuta Reah
Simon Brett
Ken Bruen
Paul Adams
Michael Dibdin
Alexander McCall Smith
Ellis Peters
Anthony Shaffer
Guillermo Martinez
Jorge Luis Borges
Douglas Adams
K O Dahl
Anthony Roberts
Dorothy L Sayers
Ian Fleming
Michael Connolly
Edgar Allen Poe
Gyles Brandreth
Reginald Hill
Peter Lovesey
Michael Innes
PD James
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Joseph Conrad
Dashiel Hammett
James M Cain
James Ellroy
Graham Greene
RN Morris
Georges Simenon
MC Beaton
Ruth Rendall

It was quite emotional going back to the old Board for what was probably the last time. It was sad seeing it so dead and near-deserted, all those topics not going to be discussed again. It's probably the lateness of the hour and my general run-down-with-a-flu feeling, I don't usually feel a sense of attachment to a website.

Anyway, if you want to discuss Crime and Detection authors this is the place to do so
priscilla-of-padua

Two of my favourites down the ages are missing from the list; Margery Allingham  of the English thirties  - and equally dated Rex Stout of USA

Both Lord Peter Wimsey and the Nero Wolfe, however are still interesting detectives and both writers throw you into the scene and comfortable rereading - like settling down on the sofabefore a coal fire in old slippers and a mug of cocoa to hand.

Regards, P.
miranda

I haven't been back to the old board since this one opened.  So thanks for rescuing all those threads, Lucky.
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

No bother

Nero Wolfe? Sounds like an interesting character. I might keep an eye out for him in the future
priscilla-of-padua

Oh gosh, you don't know Nero Wolfe? One of the great irrascible American detectives who never leaves his office and has wisecracking others to do the legwork whilst he - when he can rouse himself or leave his orchids, does the thinking. Do try Rex Stout.

Regards, P.
Raunchyducky

probably more thriller than crime but the wonderful Boris Starling surely deserves a mention here. The only Englishman to ever really compete, says I, on a par with Thomas Harris, Raymond Chandler, et al in terms of depicting the battered psychologically scarred detective (Please note I say Englishman as Ian Mckewan and Rebus fit in here too). Anyone who's not read anything by Starling (and has a very very very strong stomach) I really cannot recommend his novels eneough.
As an aside I am currently plodding through a re-read of Silence of the lambs, I'd forgotten just what a shockingly good thriller it is!
lunababymoonchild

Em, Rebus was born in Fife which is in Scotland  Laughing

Luna
Chibiabos83

Wasn't that Raunchy's point? But Ian McEwan is definitely English, not Scottish.
Raunchyducky

I stand corrected I have just checked various online sites and it appears McEwan was indeed born in England. I hang my head in shame, I was always under the impression that McEwan was Scottish. I suppose that's a tribute to how fine a creation Rebus was, especially given how poor the characterisation was in On Chesil Beach, his only "novel" set in England that I've read.
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

Do you mean Ian Rankin? He wrote the Rebus novels, not Ian McEwan. And he is Scottish
Chibiabos83

Well, let's leave On Chesil Beach aside for the time being, though I thought, with the odd reservation, that it was excellent, and I certainly had no problems with the characterisation...where was I? Yes, I can't immediately think of a McEwan book I've read that wasn't set in England, with the exception of The Comfort of Strangers, which I didn't finish (but probably will one day). Which ones have you read, Raunchy? Incidentally, if the Wikipedia is to be believed, McEwan's father was a Scot, so there we are.
Raunchyducky

Okay I'm confusing myself, I blame the rather nasty bout of male-flu that I am currently battling valiantly with. I did, of course, mean I thought Ian Rankin was Scottish don't know where I got Ian McEwan from. However it is good to know that my initial thought which was that the man called Ian who created Rebus was scottish was correct. I will now withdraw to be alone with my shame!

As an aside though G I just didn't find either one of the main characters in "On Chesil Beach" believable or sympathetic, I know Ian McEwan has done some great work but this one had that "Made for the Booker Prize" feel about it. Then again, I believe, it got beaten to the booker by Anne Enright's "The gathering" a larger pile of steaming horse wotsit I have not read for a very long time!
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

I wonder what it would be like if Ian McEwan wrote an Ian Rankin book?
Castorboy

You mean Rebus would be drinking on Leith beach and asking for forgiveness for his treatment of Big Ger?
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

Can't see it happening really. He might have given Atonement a happier ending though.
Mikeharvey

I've just read my first P.D. James novel, "Cover Her Face".  I quite enjoyed it, but it didn't whizz me along in a state of breathless excitement. Was it one of the Maxie family who killed the maid?  I was only mildly surprised at the denoument.  I was struck by the, probably unintentional, class snobbery shown by the author.  All the working class characters, their furnishings and clothes are written about patronisingly.  The novel was written in 1962 and includes an appearance by Inspector Dalgliesh. Perhaps James' books have changed or got better since this one. Or maybe I'm on the wrong wavelength.
Della

I do love P.D. James (oh, I forgot to include her latest in my wish list to Santa!!!).  To me she represents a kind of 'good, old fashioned crime novel'.  This probably says more about me than about P.D. James' output.  Wink
Many years ago I read a novel which was a bit out of the ordinary, 'The Burning Court' by John Dickson Carr.  Have a feeling that he has now gone out of fashion, at least I haven't seen him mentioned for a very long time.  I found it an incredibly exciting read and have never forgotten the impact it had on me.  But I have forgotten most of the actual storyline so perhaps I'll re-read it once I've finished Little Dorrit.
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

Im still fond of Carr, although I haven't read nearly enough of him. You might be right about him having gone out of fashion though. Have you read his book 'The Hollow Man'?
Della

No, I haven't read 'The Hollow Man', but the funny thing is, I just know that I had it in my shelves many years ago.  I never got around to reading it, and in the meantime it's disappeared!!!  There's a moral there, somewhere, ex. 'Don't have too many unread books on your shelves' (I've already failed this one, dismally!!!) and 'Don't lend books you haven't read'.  
Have a feeling 'The Hollow Man' could be out of print, but will certainly check with my local library.  Thanks for pointing me in the Hollow Man's direction!
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

I agree with you about never lending a book you haven't yet read. I only ever did it once, never again will I do it!
Castorboy

The Hollow Man has been reprinted by the same publisher of the re-issued Rogue Male in a classic crime serires. Will check in my local library and find out the details.
Castorboy

The two books were published in 2002 by Orion as part of the CrimeMasterworks series.
I read The Hollow Man too quickly to find out the solution to what has been described as the best ‘Locked Room’ detective story ever written. It came out in 1926 and is a more complicated story than a modern crime writer would produce. There is a love interest, an immigrant issue and a past history to decipher on top of the intricate puzzle. The amateur detective is Gideon Fell who may have featured in earlier books. If all Carr’s books are like this, then I would guess that Carr has gone out of fashion because he makes the reader work hard to solve a case.
It was in a Peter Lovesey ‘tec that I found mention of The Hollow Man.
Della

Yippee!!!  'The Hollow Man' is on its way to my local library!!! Very Happy   Have a feeling that Husband and Hound will suffer, turkey will be overcooked, brussel sprouts will go soggy while I savour (possibly even devour...)  what looks to be a much more tempting offering than above mentioned fowl and greens.
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

I don't like the way that Crime novels have stopped featuring ingenious plots and have instead moved towards developing characters instead. Agatha Christie was never famed for her in-depth commentary on human life, but she could keep you guessing until the very end. If you didn't like that, you could read Sherlock Holmes or one of the hardboiled detective novels. Nowadays, there are plenty of crime stories featuring well thought-out characters whose story develops with every novel, but if you want a crime that you can try to solve yourself on the way there aren't too many places to go.
Castorboy

The detective stories I’ve read this month are Oxford Proof by Veronica Stallwood, another of her Kate Ivory series. Kate is a writer who gets involved in and solves crimes. And another in the Alan Banks series A Dedicated Man by Peter Robinson.
He is a police detective based in Yorkshire and the books are very much involved with the official procedure in crime solving.

Which makes me think that a separate forum is needed for Crime and Detection in the New Year.
In that forum I would like to see three topics:-
Crime/Thrillers covering authors like Ian Fleming Graham Greene Frederick Forsyth Len Deighton.
Amateur/Unconventional Detectives like Gideon Fell Father Brown and of course Holmes Marple and Poirot.
Police Detectives like Rebus Banks Maigret Appleby and Dalgliesh.
Anyone else think along the same lines?
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

I wouldn't mind seeing it. There'll be arguments that an area for one genre would require an area for every genre, but Crime novels are the most popular genre of novel in the world so it could be justified.

Along with Thrillers, Amateur Detectives and Police Novels, there could be sections for Historical Crime Novels and Psychological Crime.
Evie

Your wish is my command!  Crime fiction forum duly added.  Do let me know of any other forums you would like as you think of them - sorry the board doesn't allow you to add them yourselves - probably best to email me, as it sometimes takes me a while to get to all the threads (though I do eventually read all the posts on the board).
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

An early Christmas present! Thank you Evie Claus.
Castorboy

Quote:
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky wrote:
An early Christmas present! Thank you Evie Claus.

My thanks as well - I didn't expect such a quick response because I didn't want to bother you just before the Christmas rush. Very Happy
Castorboy

Quote:
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky wrote:
Nowadays, there are plenty of crime stories featuring well thought-out characters whose story develops with every novel, but if you want a crime that you can try to solve yourself on the way there aren't too many places to go.

Would Val McDermid meet your criterion, Lucky? I haven't read the books but the TV adaptations seem to have good puzzle themes in them. Or would you class them as psychological puzzles only?
Not_Smart_Just_Lucky

Can't say I've come across them yet, but I look forward to the experience.

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