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goldbug

Authors

funny, I thought there was a  section
called..... Authors....
I thought I d posted a couple of threads in
there
cant see anything now

cant see any way of finding my past posts
nor  subscribed threads .....
Chibiabos83

Things have been shifted around slightly, but you should be able to find the threads here: http://bigreaders.myfastforum.org/forum22.php

You can also find all of the threads you have posted to from your profile page (click the Profile button beneath your post on this thread - it's worth bookmarking it on your browser for quick reference in the future).
goldbug

well you did manage to hide that section
Authors away
It  is an important subject and deserves its
own  section... not a sub forum !
Chibiabos83

Our thinking was that the homepage was looking rather cluttered with so many forums and it needed a bit of a tidy. Still tinkering about with things at the moment to try and find a happy medium. Feedback is always welcome, though  Smile

You should be able to find all of your own posts at http://bigreaders.myfastforum.org/search.php?search_author=goldbug
Evie

Goldbug, apologies if you struggled to find the threads - I did send an email to everyone about it, so if your email address on your profile is up to date, you should have received that.

I may well have been over-zealous in tidying things up, and haven't had much of a chance to think about it all any further, nor will I have for the next six weeks or so - but it is all able to be changed, so we can move things again if need be.
goldbug

yES,   put  .....Authors.... as its own
section  near the top of the board
We can get lots of  dedicated threads in there
discussing the authors..  biogs ... their life and times  etc

Hiding such a section away like that ...
............its almost criminal  !
Chibiabos83

I hope E/V doesn't mind, but I have moved it to the "General bookish stuff" section and made it no longer a sub-forum. I think maybe it's better there rather than in the fiction section - after all, not all of the threads currently extant are about writers of fiction.
Chibiabos83

Well, one of them isn't...
goldbug

Well  at least the section is  now  up
on the main page in full view
... not hidden away like before !
I thought it had been deleted !

I would put   'Authors'   and  the  'Novels'  sections  as the two most important section
and  both deserve preference
(and prominence )
TheRejectAmidHair

Hello Goldbug,

The forum on prose fiction (novels and short stories) is currently given the same prominence at the fora on poetry, drama and non-fiction. That’s probably as it should be, as there is no reason to elevate discussion of novels above that of other forms of writing.

Of course, it is difficult to get the balance right in these matters, and we have tried to figure out as best we can how to structure this board. (Except for me – I was too damn lazy!) But as a democratic forum, we shall certainly go by majority opinion of the contributors on this and on other matters related to the board.
Evie

Goldbug - keep your hair on!   Very Happy

I agree with RejectAmidHair, that Authors is no more important than any other category; we all have our favourites, but the point of tidying it up was not being bombarded with too many headings on the front page.

I am sure a bit of tweaking in lots of areas (sounds painful!!) would be a good idea, and as I say I did send everyone an email a while ago and asked for people to let me know if they had any feedback to offer.  I do find some things hard to find myself now, so I know it's not perfect, but if everyone asks to have their favourite category given extra special prominence, that won't get us anywhere!   Wink
goldbug

is poetry so important today ?
Granted in the  18th cent  it was very important and maybe poetry reached its zenith in the romantic era when Byron  was a hero and the equivalent of our modern pop stars.
Maybe Lennon and MacCartney can be considered poets ?

But  thru the  19th century poetry was on decline whilst the novelist... Dickens.. Thackery  etc  were celebrated.

Maybe another prominent section would be...
"Poets and Playwrites... their biogs... life and times."
Did  Bill Shakeshaft really start off as a poet?  and then realized that playwriting was where the action is and drifted to that genre ?

so you have two sections..
"Novelists.....their Biogs... Life and Times"

"Poets and Playwrites... their Biogs... Life and Times."


That takes care of  most  writers...
Oscar Wilde  I guess would fall into the  Poets and Playwrite  section.
TheRejectAmidHair

Hello Goldbug,

I don’t think literary importance can be determined by levels of popularity. If it could, we must consider, say, Dan Brown to be a more important author than, say, Toni Morrison. No doubt he is from a commercial perspective, but we are speaking of literary importance here.

It is true that poetry is not as popular as novels. But I don’t see that says anything about literary importance of poets relative to that of novelists.

I don’t agree that poetry was “on the decline” in the 19th century. I don’t see much evidence of decline in a century that produced Tennyson, Hopkins, Browning, Arnold, Swinburne, Hardy, Yeats, Dickinson, Whitman, etc. And that is just to consider poetry in the English language.

I would be interested in the opinion of others, but I most certainly would not want to see this board elevating novels above other types of writing. To do so may even be considered insulting to those of us who do value poetry and drama.

(And since you ask, I suppose Lennon & McCartney may be considered poets: if it ain’t prose, it’s poetry – but whether or not it’s good poetry is another matter. However good they may have been as lyricists, theirs would not be among the first names that would come to mind were I to list major post-war poets. And as for Shakespeare, he wrote plays containing dramatic verse from the very beginning of his career. )
MikeAlx

I would say poetry and song-lyric writing are different disciplines. It's very rare for song lyrics to work well read simply as poems; it's my personal opinion that poems often don't make for great songs either - though Schubert fans would probably beg to differ.
TheRejectAmidHair

MikeAlx wrote:
I would say poetry and song-lyric writing are different disciplines. It's very rare for song lyrics to work well read simply as poems; it's my personal opinion that poems often don't make for great songs either - though Schubert fans would probably beg to differ.


... as inded would fans of Tagore, who composed literally thousands of songs, the lyrics of which are among the most breathtakingly beautiful lines of poetry I've come across.

But generally, I do agree with you: writing lyrics for sngs and writing poetry are indeed different disciplines.
Chibiabos83

Some of Schubert's best songs are settings of second-rate poems, Mike. The source texts of Winterreise and Die Schöne Müllerin are poems by the perfectly fine but hardly spectacular Wilhelm Müller - and yet the results are universally acknowledged as among the greatest art songs ever written.

McCartney has published original poetry in recent years, of course, to much derision ("Sadness isn't sadness, it's happiness in a black jacket", etc.) - though it's hard to believe his published output is inferior to Lennon's, whose In His Own Write and A Spaniard in the Works are execrable. They were better when they stuck to the songwriting, I think.
TheRejectAmidHair

Chibiabos83 wrote:
Some of Schubert's best songs are settings of second-rate poems, Mike. The source texts of Winterreise and Die Schöne Müllerin are poems by the perfectly fine but hardly spectacular Wilhelm Müller - and yet the results are universally acknowledged as among the greatest art songs ever written.


But then again, there are those Heine settings in Schwanengesang - songs as wonderful as any the old boy ever composed, and poetry which, I gather, is of the highest quality.
goldbug

is this a literary or a music forum ?
Chibiabos83

The two aren't mutually exclusive in this case, goldbug. We're discussing musical settings of poems, as a result of your interesting invocation of Lennon and McCartney.

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